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spiderman
USA
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 Posted - 10/31/2008 : 04:05:43
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Thanks to Mr. Clavin for creating this great gallimaufry of all things Shepherd. My old man was a listener in the early 70's when I was a "feckless youth" & I remember meeting Mr. Shepherd at a book signing in Toms River around that time (for IGWT, I believe). I've gotten the bug & have begun collecting all shows I can find.
There seem to be some shows listed in the show database (the compendium for making chronological sense of a collection like this) that are duplicates:
* "Baseball Fans" from April 1963 is actually a portion of "Imponderables" dated April 9, 1963
* show dated April 23, 1963 (which should be "Date After Army") is actually "Piano Factory Job" from April 23, 1962
* "The Snooper" (file dated 04_xx_63) seems to actually be "Bugging the Neighborhood" from July 29, 1963
* "Cause & Effect" dated April 1963 is most likely "Cause and Effect" from August 15, 1963
* the very recently posted "Mortal Fear" dated August 27, 1963 is the same show as "Where the Beautiful People Play" from August 28, 1963
As I wade through 1964 & beyond, I'll continue to make notes (with your kind indulgence) - if anyone has comments or corrections, please post them.
Thanks again for this indispensable site! |
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sheptapes
Tuvalu
41 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2008 : 15:38:51
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There are a great many duplications in the database. Very often the undated shows at the bottom of the list can be found above with dates or slightly different titles.
There are also several duplicate listings in the new Gary Hines shows that previously existed without dates and different titles. I noticed several in Rudy's tapes that can now be dated due to the discovery of all those dated show.
Many years ago, there was an attempt to sort out all the Vic & Sade shows by indicating the opening line of the show, along with the date if known, since, like the Shep shows, they didn't have titles (well, actually the V&S have titles on the scripts, but they weren't available at the time.)
This would be a great help with the Shepherd shows, since everyone seems to focus on different parts of shows when they try to come up with a title. |
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2008 : 00:24:34
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Upon further review:
The show labeled "1964.06-xx_Agressive_Nature.mp3" (apparently from the Jean Shepherd Project) seems to actually be "Night Crawlers - Spring People; Worm Biz" also from June '64 AND the show labeled "1964.06-xx_Worms_clipped.mp3" (also apparently from the Jean Shepherd Project) seems to actually be "Aggressive Nature of Man" also from June '64 - a case of mislabeling, I presume
The show labeled "1964 spring Casey At The Bat" is definitely from 24 April 1963. My research into this supports Max's notes: Chicago's Jim Landis (cf) & Pete Ward (3b) are both mentioned as is the Yankees' Jack Reed. 1963 was Ward's first year with the Sox & Reed's last year in the bigs. 1963 was NOT, in fact, a poor year for the Yanks however - they went 104-57, but were swept in the Series by Koufax & the Dodgers.
Keep your knees loose... |
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2008 : 05:39:18
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Recent observation - the show marked 1964 Enclosed Stadium ("Enclosed Ballparks, Rationalization in Politics") appears to be the same show from 12/30/63 "Satire, Politics and Rationalization".
I'm working on going to my right... |
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2009 : 00:45:23
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In case anyone's interested:
The file in circulation listed as "1965_Man_As_Machine" is actually the last 8:09 of the show from 2 Nov 1965 "American Dream Sales Pitch"
"Drop the tools, we've got you covered!" |
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2009 : 01:56:05
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In case anyone's interested (revisited):
The show in circulation as "1963 Army Stories" is actually the second portion of the Limelight show from 23 April 1966 "Army Stories" ("Let's go burn down City Hall!!!")
"Drop the tools, we've got you covered!" |
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diskojoe
155 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2009 : 11:23:03
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| Just droppin' a note of thanks, Spiderman, on your yeoman work. I wish more people would come on & talk about Shep's programs. |
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2009 : 23:44:08
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Thanks for the kind words (awww, gee whiz wow) - just trying to pitch in.
"Drop the tools, we've got you covered!" |
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2009 : 01:01:58
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Speaking of pitching in, this is... a further update (not WOR). It seems that the shows circulating as "Second Banana in Politics" (10 Nov. 1966) and "Age of Total Showbiz" (week of 7 Nov. 1966) are, in fact, one & the same. Go figure...
Eerily enough, Shep predicted Reagan would be elected president in this show! Well, kind of...
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Edited by - spiderman on 09/26/2009 01:09:03 |
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2009 : 16:10:51
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The show circulating with the title of "1963_The Negev" (listed in the database as "Army Stories - 'Digging A Ditch' and 'In The Negev' A Limelight show rebroadcast in Boston, according to the audience station break chant" - gasp, gasp) is, in reality, the first 28:39 of "Shep's Trip to the Middle East - Part 6" from 11 June 1966.
Keep your knees loose & your glove oiled... |
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2009 : 02:28:54
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The show circulating with the title of "1966_xx_xx_Paris_Adventure" is a Boston rebroadcast of "In Paris" from 16 June 1966.
Excelsior!
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 12/27/2009 : 02:41:27
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Currently going through undated 1967 shows & some clues are showing. Case in point: in "Hobbies, Potatoes, etc.", Shep mentions that it's a Monday. Later, he says that on Wednesday (or two days later), there will be a premiere of a student film at the Annenberg School in Philadelphia called "Channel 10 - In the Middle Distance" that he says "is about my show". Not only would finding that premiere date allow an accurate dating of this show, it would be interesting to uncover that film!!
My search of the Internet for anything to do with this has thus far proved feckless. Has anyone out there ever even heard of this?
Keep your knees loose & your glove oiled...
P.S. - Thanks to john~k, this show has been dated: Apr. 24, '67...
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2010 : 02:53:51
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1967's "Mismatings Among Ducks, Geese & Swans; Being Chased by a Goose" can, I believe, be tentatively dated. Shep plugs an upcoming appearance at Univ. of Pennsylvania's Irvine Auditorium on Dec 4 and mentions there would be no live Limelight show "this Saturday". There was a show from the Limelight on Nov 25 (and Dec 9), but NOT on Dec 2. This show MUST be from the week of Nov 27 - Dec 1.
Any one have additional info?
Also... 1967's "Tatoos" can't be from 1967. Shep's station ID identifies WOR-AM and FM. The FM simulcast stopped in July '66. This show is also not the syndicated show of the same name from 1965, although the Long Branch tattoo parlor story is told in that one also.
And... the file circulating as "1967 or 1968_Troop Train Ernie" is actually the last 16 (+/-) minutes of Shep's live show at Fairleigh Dickenson from June '67.
Keep your knees loose and your glove oiled... |
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 20:13:02
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This just in... "Rabbits on the March, Horror Movies, Attack of the Locusts" from 1968 must be from January of that year. During the Mandarin House spot, Shep mentions that their "New Years Banquet" is available from Jan. 30 to Feb. 17. Only seems logical that this was broadcast during the last week or two of January.
Keep your knees loose and your glove oiled... |
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2010 : 13:31:02
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FYI - "1969 Fantasies" consists of portions of two different broadcasts from the Limelight: the first 7:47 is taken from "Army Stories" dated 23.4.66 and the remaining 27 (+/-) min. is taken from "Shep's Trip to the Middle East - 6" dated 11.6.66.
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 04:39:12
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The show circulating as "Army Induction" from August '63 is actually taken from "Army Induction" of April 12, 1963
Keep your knees loose and your glove oiled... |
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john~k
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2010 : 02:44:12
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Originally posted by john~k
Hi spiderman,
Got a hit on one of the shows listed in your 1/2/2010 post:
1967_Tatoos_clipped
http://ia311202.us.archive.org/2/items/JeanShepherd1967/1967_Tatoos_clipped.mp3
My brother's track index has this show airing on Monday, February 20, 1967
Thanks for the info, John. In that case, could this show have been a repeat? Shep does use the "WOR-AM and FM" during the station ID in this show; WOR stopped the FM simulcast in July '66.
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john~k
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Posted - 04/16/2010 : 11:41:23
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It's possible, but my guess is that it was said out of habit. I have heard him use "AM and FM" on at least one other 1967 show where he then corrected himself. One other small clue might be that his repeats are typically no more than a couple months old.
Might have an air date for "1967_Mismating_Ducks." This one is inferred. Shep mentions on the following night's show, "We will not be live at the Limelight tomorrow night." He then mentions his University of Pennsylvania appearance, "...this coming Monday, December 4th." That would give it an air date of:
1967_Mismating_Ducks
http://www.archive.org/download/JeanShepherd1967/1967_Mismating_Ducks.mp3
Thursday, November 30, 1967
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2010 : 00:48:01
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quote:
Originally posted by john~k
It's possible, but my guess is that it was said out of habit. I have heard him use "AM and FM" on at least one other 1967 show where he then corrected himself. One other small clue might be that his repeats are typically no more than a couple months old.
Might have an air date for "1967_Mismating_Ducks." This one is inferred. Shep mentions on the following night's show, "We will not be live at the Limelight tomorrow night." He then mentions his University of Pennsylvania appearance, "...this coming Monday, December 4th." That would give it an air date of:
1967_Mismating_Ducks
http://www.archive.org/download/JeanShepherd1967/1967_Mismating_Ducks.mp3
Thursday, November 30, 1967
Thanks for posting this, John. I, for one, really appreciate your input. If you have some for THIS one, though, that would be great. Max has "New Year's Eve at the Burly Cue" definitely dated as 30 Dec. 1964. The catch, however, is that "New Years in the Army" dated as 31 Dec. 1964 is the exact same show.
Can ANYONE (are you out there, Max?!?) clear this up? My opinion (for whatever it's worth) is that it's actually from New Years Eve. It just sounds like Shep's talking about Thursday (although he never says "today") as if it's today rather than tomorrow, and at the very end he says "Happy New Year" as if the new year is shortly upcoming - unless there was NO BROADCAST on 12/31...... 
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john~k
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Posted - 04/20/2010 : 13:15:16
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spiderman, glad to help if I can. Regarding an air date for that "New_Years_in_the_Army" show. According to my brother's track index it aired on Wednesday, December 30, 1964. To confirm, I listened to the following night's show where Shep mentions preparations in Times Square and goes on to say, "...in 2 hours it will be all over."
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2010 : 00:55:15
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Hello, fellow victims, fellow sufferers - heh, heh, heh...
The "Peanut Butter" episode circulating with the date of 7 July '65 is actually "Peanut Butter Anonymous" from 3 Oct. '69 and IS NOT from '65 - as is fairly clear when Shep talks about (@ 10:48 of said show) a letter he received from a fan. This guy wrote in about seeing Shep on the WCBS 6:00 news of 9/26/69 in the "first row" at a "big" Mets game. The Mets cliched the division title on 9/24 which, at that time, was the biggest game in Metropolitans history. It could not, however, have been referenced in July (or any other month) of 1965.
And thanks John for your much appreciated input. E-mail me if you would like to compare holes in each other's collections...
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john~k
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 12:35:41
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| spiderman, it's interesting to note, on the show that aired 7/7/65 Shep also talked about peanut butter. |
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spiderman
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2010 : 02:08:12
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Recently listened to "Getting Sick in the Army" dated 1969. The database says this is "Unknown". Shep mentions he had "just got back" from an appearance he made in Buffalo at "St. Bonaventure". This live show isn't listed in the database; is anyone aware of when this occurred?
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Chitose6970
USA
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 21:38:39
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The date of the “Getting Sick In The Army” show is likely Thursday, February 27, 1969. At the very beginning of the show Shep says he read an article in that day's New York Times. The article was about the “Pudding Ship” that was carrying inappropriate and otherwise useless food supplies to the hungry and suffering people of Biafra during the Nigerian Civil War.
Here is a link to a story in the St. Petersburg Times about the Pudding Ship: http://news.google.com/newspapersnid=888&dat=19690227&id=gvoNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=w3sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7162,4687205, or else Google "Biafran Bungle Hurts Us Stature".
The credit line of the story states “From The New York Times”. If the news report was not actually printed in the two papers on the same day then at least it would be safe to assume that the show is a late February 1969 show. In the Flicklives database the show is listed as “Pudding Ship, Man of La Mancha, Army Story - Red Lined!”.
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